Ex-Botswana President blasts Mugabe

FORMER Botswana President Festus Mogae has uncharacteristically called on President Robert Mugabe to “stop hiding behind sovereignty, while abusing people” and to accept gay rights.

BY RICHARD CHIDZA

In a recent interview with a United Nations online magazine, Africa Renewal, Mogae, who is Vice-President Phelekezela Mphoko’s business partner in the Choppies Supermarket group, accused Mugabe and his Zanu PF administration of “thinking they are more important than his country”.

“Sovereignty has limits like any other right. A leader cannot kill and harass his people and hide behind sovereignty. A true leader does not
kill, but protects his people,” Mogae said.

“We still have leaders in Africa who think they are indispensable, larger than life and more important than their countries. That must stop. If a leader loses control, the world will and should intervene to save the people.”

Responding to reports that some African leaders were of the view that gay rights were un-African, after applauding Mugabe when he declared at the UN 70th General Assembly that Africans were not gay, the ex-Botswana leader said: “It’s not surprising that we appear to be speaking from different corners of the mouth. Differences in opinion are welcome”.

Festus Mogae

Mogae, who was recently in Zimbabwe for the official opening of a Choppies supermarket in Chitungwiza by Mugabe, said the Zimbabwean leader should dump “outdated beliefs”.

“While I admit that the West often push their agendas on Africa, which we must be wary of, I also believe we must, as Africans, admit that the world is changing and we must move with the times,” he told the magazine.

“This means often abandoning some of our long-held convictions about life, if the need arises.

“In my long interaction with LGBT [lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and trans-sexual] groups and extensive research, I have come to the realisation that we are limited in our knowledge and must be open to new discoveries. I have been converted; I used to hold the same beliefs as my counterparts.

“President Mugabe has said that he hates homosexuals and is on record as saying they are worse than pigs and dogs. That is still his position.

“Leadership is not always about you, it is about people and often circumstances. I call upon African leaders to open up to second generation rights.”

Information, Media and Broadcasting Services minister Christopher Mushohwe yesterday said: “I read it, he did not mention the President by name, but if indeed he was referring to President Mugabe, it is unfortunate. He said it while he was in America, maybe he wanted to please the New Yorkers. Why does he wait to be in America to say it? Why not say it while he is in Africa? He was here a few days ago, why didn’t he say it? If he couldn’t do it here, he could have said it while in Botswana. That is the problem with most African leaders, they think if they are in Europe, they are Europeans, if they are in America, they are Americans.”

Mugabe is an avowed critic of homosexuals and infamously described them as “worse than pigs and dogs”.

Botswana has remained a lone voice in the region against Mugabe’s perceived excesses, demanding a return to legitimacy and respect of human rights in Zimbabwe, much to the chagrin of the veteran Zanu PF leader.

Current Botswana President Ian Khama has also clashed with Mugabe on several occasions on various issues.

Gay rights remain a contentious issue in Southern Africa with South Africa being the only country to recognise homosexual marriages.

95 Responses to Ex-Botswana President blasts Mugabe

  1. Thomas Hushe January 22, 2016 at 5:29 am #

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  2. Thomas Hushe January 22, 2016 at 5:30 am #

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  3. Richard Chidza is a liar January 22, 2016 at 8:04 am #

    What a load of lies. We are not idiots. This story is similar to the one that led to the dismissal of Constantine Chimakure. Below is the full interview from where this Newsday story was taken.

    Festus Mogae served as president of the southern African country of Botswana from 1998 to 2008. He is the recipient of several international awards, including the 2008 Ibrahim Prize for Achievement in African Leadership. In this interview held recently in New York with Tefo Pheage for Africa Renewal, the former president shared his thoughts on gay rights, the reform of the UN Security Council, the right to protect civilians in humanitarian crises and the fight against HIV/AIDS. These are excerpts from the interview.

    Africa Renewal: Let us start with the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people. Some African leaders are of the view that gay rights are un-African. They applauded Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe when he declared at the UN 70th General Assembly that Africans were not gay. As an advocate for LGBT rights, what is your view on Africa and human rights?

    Fetus Mogae: It’s not surprising that we appear to be speaking from different corners of the mouth. Differences in opinion are welcome. While I admit that the West often push their agendas on Africa, which we must be wary of, I also believe that we must, as Africans, admit that the world is changing and we must move with the times. This means often abandoning some of our long-held convictions about life, if the need arises. In my long interaction with LGBT groups and extensive research, I have come to the realisation that we are limited in our knowledge and must be open to new discoveries. I have been converted; I used to hold the same beliefs as my counterparts. President Mugabe has said that he hates homosexuals and is on record as saying they are worse than pigs and dogs. That is still his position. Leadership is not always about you, it is about people and often circumstances. I call upon African leaders to open up to second generation rights.

    You have on several occasions clashed with Botswana’s current leadership and religious organisations due to your persistent advocacy to decriminalise LGBT practices in Botswana. How has it been?

    Obviously not easy, but when you believe in something, nothing should stop you. Botswana inherited a law that outlaws is against homosexuality. We have not repealed it, but generally we have not harassed or arrested these groups (gays and lesbians). But the international community would say it is not enough to say you haven’t made any arrests because if you have such a law, you or another leader may wake up the next day and apply its provisions. Our argument as a country has always been that we haven’t imprisoned any member of these specific groups.

    Are you hopeful that LGBT rights will be respected in the near future in Africa?

    Yes, some countries like South Africa have already paved the way and others are following slowly. Change takes time and often meets resistance in some quarters. One of the challenges we have in Africa is that even the traditional leaders or chiefs are against LGBT groups. I once participated in a debate organised by the BBC. Traditional leaders argued that they didn’t like homosexuals because young people will follow their ways. They said they wanted their children to get married, give birth and keep family names alive and bring bride prices, amongst many other benefits. I found this to be selfish and a wrong mentality towards LGBT rights.

    The UN has been heavily criticised of late by some member states for being ineffective and undemocratic. Do you think the UN has lived up to expectations?

    Just like any other organisation, the UN has its own problems and limitations. I think the problem is with the Security Council and its veto power. The UN would be better off and more democratic without veto powers. Even we as Africans have to advocate for total abolition of the veto, but not permanent Security Council membership. In that case, states will be more equal. It is without a doubt that at the UN, some member states are more equal than others. The concept of vetoes is outdated and is tarnishing the good name of the UN.

    The African Union has been pushing for a seat on the Security Council but it seems to be unable to agree on which country would occupy such a seat. What’s your comment on this?

    I support Africa’s demand for an AU permanent seat on the Security Council. The question, however, is whether we are capable of nominating one of our own to represent us. You will recall that there is Nigeria, South Africa, Kenya, Egypt and others who want to join the Council. We should be advocating for a permanent seat for an African country that will take its mandate from all the AU heads of states.

    How do we balance a country’s sovereignty with the right of outsiders to intervene particularly in times of economic failure, humanitarian crisis or internal conflicts?

    As with everything else, it is always the difficulties at the margins. Even if a country is well governed, it could still face unprecedented levels of unemployment as we have here in Botswana. But that should not justify outside intervention. However, if a country starts to experience inter-ethnic conflicts, the international community could feel they cannot sit on the sidelines and watch people being butchered willy-nilly by those who once vowed to protect them. Sovereignty has limits like any other right. A leader cannot kill and harass his people and hide behind sovereignty. A true leader does not kill but protects his people. We still have leaders in Africa who think they are indispensable, larger than life and more important than their countries. That must stop. If a leader loses control, the world will and should intervene to save the people.

    You are regarded globally as a champion in the fight against HIV/AIDS. In your travels throughout Africa, how do you assess this fight?

    We have fought a good battle but we are still experiencing new infections. I think our worst enemy is complacency. You will recall that after the virus was first discovered in the 1980s in Africa, people were dying on a massive scale. We entered into a state of panic and too much stigma and discrimination was attached to the deadly virus. All that has since changed. But the biggest mistake will be to think we have won the war. In Botswana, we declared the virus an emergency. I took the HIV/AIDS fight from the Ministry of Health to the presidency for close and more authoritative monitoring, and it paid off. The situation has greatly stabilised, according to statistics, and I have learnt that the same has been happening in other countries.

  4. Ronald Matapire January 22, 2016 at 8:28 am #

    Frankly, I do not believe in Judaic or any religion for that matter, especially the intolerant and double standards Christianity. A lot of the hate culture peddled and applied by Zanu PF is directly connected to the Christian Bible. It is full of bloody images, intimidation and manipulation. Why should any one worry about the sexuality of two consenting adults? Those guys are just abnormal and that is their problem. Dzenyu nhamo, including getting rid of Mugabe, mambopedza? Ibvai apa!

    • mogee January 22, 2016 at 8:39 am #

      saka ukavhura maziso uchiona zvinhu zvese zvakasikwa you come to the conclusion that there is no God?

      you are wise i guess

      • Nshoro we Nyoka January 22, 2016 at 10:14 am #

        We have all been brainwashed bro, go back 5000 years where was God, with colonial abuse, killings , world wars, where is this God, BOMB on Nagasaki, where was the God, GUkurahondo, where was The all LOVING and All Powerful GOd. Its a hoax, unfortunately a majority fell into it

        • God`s Creature January 22, 2016 at 2:49 pm #

          God was is and will always be there. You shall know one day. All these things are caused by satan. Because the world allows its own laws to override God`s laws and creation by allowing things like homosexuality. After going again`t all that God wants, satan comes in and causes problems then you ask silly questions like where is God? Well He was there when you were homosexualising and He will also still be there when you kill each other etc. He gave us the choice not to do all these things. He gave us brains that know the difference between wrong and right. Very simple.

        • chipazhamongo January 22, 2016 at 5:48 pm #

          Nshoro we Nyoka.

          Mwari haana kumboti ndicha stopper hondo dzenyu, asi arikuti iwe munhu danana neumwe wako.uye usauraya.

          saka hondo ndedzenyu vanhu nokuda kwekysaterera.

      • Mohummed January 22, 2016 at 4:27 pm #

        Wataura hama iibenzi iri

  5. mogee January 22, 2016 at 8:31 am #

    kikikiki
    So amazing. This paper, the Botswana guy, Mugabe and the rest really. i mean seriously.

    But anyway, any system is bankrupt financially and morally if it is not based on values. The Americans and Europeans have well crafted values that subtly disregard God. The Africans hold on to systems that are based on values that have nothing to do with their own. Nay, they don’t even know what they value. All such systems will fail and they are on their last lag globally.

    The gays and lesbians project has been running for a while and it is slowly being normalized and anyone who does not support it is seen as abnormal. To Adam and Steve, Madam and Eve don’t normalize the abnormal.

  6. no gay rights here January 22, 2016 at 8:55 am #

    Vese vanoita zve gay right garai kunyika kwenyu

  7. wakurawarerwa January 22, 2016 at 8:59 am #

    This exe president is just a fool and he needs help we are african and we are christians we dont tolerate your nosense behaviour leave President Mugambe alone he is a messenger of God and you are a Messenger of the Big Devil. Let me say this to you all who publish and seek audience God never Changes you change but he will never do soo and the president will never change that why he is a president now while you are EXE you dont deserve to lead.

  8. no gays in zimbabwe January 22, 2016 at 9:12 am #

    Please Mr Mogae, just leave us nekusara kwedu. Zvevarume vanodanana nevamwe varume its a no for Zimbabweans. try it in your country Botswana. Zimbabwe is a prayerful nation and we dont want zvemagay.

  9. Earnest Mabuya January 22, 2016 at 9:14 am #

    It is truly said listening to the Botswana dude trying to impress the Americans and the Queen and the expense of his beliefs. We do not have gays that are of African origin but only colonised people who have been made to believe that is fashionable to try these abominable acts. Leave Zimbabwe and Mugabe alone. No wonder God has given him so many years to leave. Have you ever thought to yourself that just maybe ,he is under the special protection of the lord and following the special instructions of the Lord.It is unAfrican to be gay as it is unAfrican to be a peodophile.

    • BABA January 22, 2016 at 9:37 am #

      Yes they allow it in Botswana but its a very unpopular thing. You do not see these people moving openly in Gabs. I was told those who are into it its for money and because of unemployment etc.

      • spiralx January 22, 2016 at 12:36 pm #

        And you believed them. Because you wanted to. Not because you had evidence, or had checked whether that was true.

        • speaklow pakipa January 22, 2016 at 12:49 pm #

          i guess you are saying that becoz you feel or rather think you are a smart ass dude who reasons a lot neh?Even in South Africa where its allowed to marry one of the same sex these faggots do not openly walk and do stuff becoz its unafrican so in your little peewee brain you think its a hoax.Grow up you douchebag

  10. Earnest Mabuya January 22, 2016 at 9:21 am #

    To be with the majority does not make you right. African unite and lead the way for a morale world. Teach your kids the correct path ,that relationships of a sexual nature are between a man and a woman and that marriage is only for man and woman. Do not be misled into doubting yourself ,your position and belifes by people with an agenda of creating Sodom and Gomora in Africa.Do not have though ,just be tolerant but desist and resist the influences that lead us and our children astray.It is not normal and everybody knows it.Values and culture are mostly an African thing ,no wonder Africa as a whole is being attacked so much including by agents of the devil.

  11. widzy January 22, 2016 at 9:24 am #

    May the Lord judge those who try to change seasons and times …And those who try to change God’s law ….All those who trample upon Holly precepts

  12. soxman 44 January 22, 2016 at 9:24 am #

    if you made by GOD, Im referring to God the father in heaven who is above all, the creater of the heavens and earth and also the father of the messiah, Jesus Christ who died on the cross for all our sins …. truly kuita chigay igehena… don’t worship satan with your two eyes open. that’s why there is marriage betwwen a woman and a man not two of opposite sex,,,,,, dai mwari aiziva kuty zvinoita dai takasikwa tiri vesame sex and we could have both organs …plizz don’t normalise the abnormal

    judgement awaits you who follow things of the earth and remember that he is hearing, watching and also he is with you ….. makutokanganwa akakusikai uyezwe he is your daily proptector imika MUKWANE!!!

  13. mhofu January 22, 2016 at 9:26 am #

    I myself as a normal person who holds on to the natural truth and principles of life abhors homosexuality in all its forms.There is no legal reason i have ever got from these people who are agitating for the recognition of these so called gay rights. People think we are evolving and should embrace new changes in life including human sexuality but this is all pure madness being driven by the devil into our lives. I am not an admirer of Robert Mugabe but i support his views on gays 100%. We saw what happened in Uganda when the anti gays bill was passed. People like Richard branson encouraged investors to pull out of Uganda because of this wierd sexual behaviour of peverts who lusts after one of their kind. Europeans should leave us alone as Africans. I pity this Mogae guy for spewing puke to us and our leadership. GOD is watching and wont let this pass without executing judgement

  14. Titus January 22, 2016 at 9:28 am #

    I may personally not support president Mugabe politically but on this issue ( gay rights), he is spot on. Yes they are worse than pigs and dogs because these species distinguish their males from females. This ex-Botswana leader admits that he has been converted – to what ? Contextually he is now homosexual. To hell with him . Does he ever believe in God’s creation? This is propagating diabolic systems to please the ungodly Americans. President Mugabe and Zimbabwe should continue to stand against this satanic practice. I am actually appalled by this report if it represents the views and interests of Newsday staffers.

  15. BABA January 22, 2016 at 9:34 am #

    Asi zvimwewo VaMugabe vari right. Izvi hatizvide. kushereketa. Better if one just say I do not want to have sex and end there. Not to say I want same sex partner. Haaaaaa

  16. T.K January 22, 2016 at 9:43 am #

    Its time Zimbabwe stopped this stigma against homosexuals.Everyman/woman deserves the right to choose sexual orientation.Accepting homosexuals’ rights does mean condoning homosexual behaviour,on the contrary it simply means you are civilised enough to appreciate that man is an autonomous being with right to choose his own actions & the kind of life they want to live.If dealing with homosexuality by ”force” was the best solution i am sure God would have implemented that one long back,since He,more than us all,has enough power to do that.Our is to preach the gospel,love these people as God’s creations(by virtue of being human) & hate what they do.God alone will judge.I’m not homosexual by the way.

    • AfricaForward January 22, 2016 at 10:24 am #

      Hungochani No No. You speak like one of them. wangovandawo hako nechigunwe.

      Mwari rudo, ngochani dzacho anodzisiya dzichirarama zvimwechete nemhombwe nembavha ne mhondi nevaroyi as izvisingarevi kuti anozvida. kunyangwe RG might be wrong soemtmes, because of this, i believe God will give him more years.

      Genesis 19:1-13. The wicked men of Sodom attempted a homosexual rape of two messengers from God who had come to visit Lot. As a result of this and other widespread wickedness, God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah in a storm of fire and brimstone.

      You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22)

      If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13

      Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11)

    • the real Africanman January 22, 2016 at 4:27 pm #

      getaway T K you are poisoned upstairs

    • Mohummed January 22, 2016 at 4:32 pm #

      Get away, burn all the gays. Haram!!!Mugabe is 100%

  17. kule January 22, 2016 at 9:44 am #

    ON THIS ONE HE IS SPOT ON.

    Accused Mugabe and his Zanu PF administration of “thinking they are more important than his country”.

    “Sovereignty has limits like any other right. A leader cannot kill and harass his people and hide behind sovereignty. A true leader does not
    kill, but protects his people,” Mogae said.

    “We still have leaders in Africa who think they are indispensable, larger than life and more important than their countries. That must stop. If a leader loses control, the world will and should intervene to save the people.”

  18. WILLARD MUBVUMBI January 22, 2016 at 9:49 am #

    In Zimbabwe, gay rights are recognized becoz there is an LGBT HQ in Belvedere. The fact that, LGBT offices are in Zimbabwe shows that Gays are accepted. What do you do if you find out that your father, mother, brother, sister, cousin, aunt, niece, nephew, husbad, wife, friend etc is gay, lesbian or bisexual? Do you kill them? What does this have to do with you if two gays are loving each other? After all, we have, prostitutes, murderers, baby dumpers, corrupt pple etc walking scot free. What action are you taking against these pple?

  19. kule January 22, 2016 at 9:53 am #

    SPOT ON. accused Mugabe and his Zanu PF administration of “thinking they are more important than his country”.

    “Sovereignty has limits like any other right. A leader cannot kill and harass his people and hide behind sovereignty. A true leader does not
    kill, but protects his people,” Mogae said.

    “We still have leaders in Africa who think they are indispensable, larger than life and more important than their countries. That must stop. If a leader loses control, the world will and should intervene to save the people.”THE REST IS TRIVIAL

  20. Mahlaeya January 22, 2016 at 9:59 am #

    No gay rights in Zimbabwe, and we do not want gays here! The Bots fellow must share his ideas in Bots and not in Zimb

  21. WILLARD MUBVUMBI January 22, 2016 at 10:03 am #

    In Zimbabwe, gay rights are recognized becoz there is an LGBT HQ in Belvedere. The fact that, LGBT offices are in Zimbabwe shows that Gays are accepted. What do you do if you find out that your father, mother, brother, sister, cousin, aunt, niece, nephew, husband, wife, friend etc is gay, lesbian or bisexual? Do you kill them? What does this have to do with you if two gays are loving each other? After all, we have, prostitutes, murderers, baby dumpers, corrupt pple etc walking scot free. What action are you taking against these pple?

    • the real Africanman January 22, 2016 at 4:24 pm #

      Willard you are insane akakuroya akafa dai arimupenyu daiti akurapise fungwa dzako urimba mgodoyi

  22. sojo January 22, 2016 at 10:06 am #

    Why do you associate Hate and Fear with God?How is two adults loving each other stopping oxygen from entering your nostrils?

  23. gay January 22, 2016 at 10:07 am #

    accept it people homosexuality is everywhere even in your culture.

    • the real Africanman January 22, 2016 at 4:21 pm #

      to hell with those supporting gays you are not different from wild animals

      • x January 22, 2016 at 7:29 pm #

        let gals produce an offspring then we will give them the rights they are seeking simply

  24. Thinkaboutit January 22, 2016 at 10:07 am #

    Gay rights gay rights kudii? It is uncalled for kuti varume vaite bonde vari varume voga kana kuti the same applied kuvakadzi.GAY GAY KWETE MUZIMBABWE.VaMugabe vari right chose in stamping this out.Those who think they can get away with it,wait until The Almighty intervenes in this kind of misbehaviour.Do not forget Sodom and Gomorrah had settled for this kind of rights and check what happened to them.Mr.Mogae if you do not believe in God just wait until that vessel you are speaking from gets back to where it came from(dust) and the real you gets face to face with your creator then you will know the real truth.Unfortunately you may want to redress on you thinking but it will be too late.Sodom and Gomorrah perished of fire,the same will happen to anyone who meddle in such kinds of acts as gay.Be advised.God will not have mercy on you for this kind of misguidance.

  25. Thinkaboutit January 22, 2016 at 10:13 am #

    Mahlaeya
    You are very right,late the dead bury themselves on this one.Talk about gay rights there in Botswana and not in Zimbabwe.Homosexuality is only for special animals particularly those that are hemaphrodietic like hyenas.

  26. Mbudzi January 22, 2016 at 10:28 am #

    It is possible some people live with their spouses for life unaware they are gay. Fact.

  27. RavCT January 22, 2016 at 10:29 am #

    Festus Mogae must not try to change our views on gay rights in Africa. By forcing his views on us and our president, he is committing the same of infringing into our own democracy. I think as African, it is very clear that we are not gays and that is a very clear position. Being gay is in fact a psychological disease that needs to be cured, not a positive change. It needs to be cured.

  28. Wasu January 22, 2016 at 10:38 am #

    Even the devil was not a gay so who are yu following yu bastards.For how long shall yu continue to fight against nature. Were yu born of homosexuals. You brood of vipers. Itirai ikoko mukauya kuno munoorera mujeri.WaMugabe Woye!!!!!!!

  29. karikoga January 22, 2016 at 11:00 am #

    Mr Mogae after finding out about your homosexual agenda my enthusiasm around this article fizzled.I don’t like Mugabe but he is right about gays.There are more pressing issues in Zim , no jobs, corruption, deindustrialisation , decaying infrastucture , govt incompetence pore economic policies NOT homosexuality.Your country has massive HIV levels per its population ..you want us to end up like you?..im appauled sir..and sadly have lost respect for you!

  30. lovejoy January 22, 2016 at 11:02 am #

    if Mogae has this kind of thinking he is an idiot, we Zimbabweans do not want this gay thing and we’d rather have Mugabe as our president than some homosexuality accepting moron

  31. karikoga January 22, 2016 at 11:07 am #

    I have lost all respect for Mogae..I don’t like Mugabe but he is right about gays.Tswanas and S Aficans have bad morals and are not religious. They have money but noorals…

  32. gunguwo January 22, 2016 at 11:20 am #

    The people of Zimbabwe have spoken. We have heard all that you have said. Now can we have a pronouncement from VP Mhpoko before we dismiss?

  33. rasta wezhira January 22, 2016 at 11:38 am #

    we all dont lyk mugabe here but to accept homosexuality is total unafrican inhuman and against e notion of ubuntu we will never trade our culture 4 sweets. If this means voting for mugevil again in 2018 then we will.. NO TO HOMOSEXUALITY NO NOT IN AFRICA NOT IN ZIMBABWE NO TOSTUPID ILLUMINATE PRACTICES

  34. Cde Gaba January 22, 2016 at 11:44 am #

    Mogae is no longer thinking Properly. Anoti zvaakapihwa KaMungochani kekurara nako kuAmerica ikoko otaurira Africa. He si not our Spokes Person. Zimbabwe we Say No kuchingochani Period

  35. Griffiths January 22, 2016 at 11:56 am #

    Here we are getting into a deep discussion about the habits of people behind closed doors, meanwhile, outside, the unemployment queues get longer, inequality and corruption more entrenched, etc. Priorities people.

  36. kkkkkk January 22, 2016 at 12:08 pm #

    zvimazimbo zvinogona kuti no gays asi hazvigoni kugadzirisa nyika yazvo. as we speaks magays arikutokwirana rimwe dununu richingoti hatidi magays hanzi its unafrican. who the hell are you to decide whats african and whats not. to the gays ignore these cowardly (cant even confront zanu pf) homophobes murambe muchikwirana.

  37. ogfifth January 22, 2016 at 12:15 pm #

    imbwa yemhunu, NO TO GAYS!!!!!!!!!!

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  39. Baba Eliakim January 22, 2016 at 1:10 pm #

    Please our President alone , we dont want your second generation rights

  40. Baba Eliakim January 22, 2016 at 1:10 pm #

    Please leave our President alone. We dont want your second generation rights

  41. Mhofu January 22, 2016 at 1:12 pm #

    Not a defender of RGM however Mogae dilutes his message by sneaking in gays and lesbians. In fact i dont thinkbhe could care less about “abuses” more than he is interested in singing for his supper to move the gays and lesbian agenda. Zimbabweans are overwhelmingly against legalising homosexuality. Face the facts. We dont need some Tswana to tell what we should or should not accept. Cant be concerned about Sovereignty and at the same time abuse our sovereign right to determine our laws. The fact that the Koi san and all othet clickibg sound ethinic groups find gay attraction can be a template on the region. No mr ex president. How much did you get. We will love the homos but actions are cindemned period.

  42. Nay January 22, 2016 at 1:30 pm #

    All the ills of this world are because man fall short the first time. We remain in mess till now because we still do not understand the original intent of the creator. I suggest we stop poking fingers at each other and start searching the hidden truth.the Homosexuality is not right. In fact its wrong no matter how you try to convince the world.Those who practice or support it I urge you to rethink if it was God’s original intent. If not then no way.

  43. Musona January 22, 2016 at 1:38 pm #

    “That is the problem with most African leaders, they think if they are in Europe, they are Europeans, if they are in America, they are Americans” – what is this Mushowe guy trying to say?

  44. pikinini January 22, 2016 at 1:48 pm #

    No gay rights in Zimbabwe.God has a plan for our country he will see us through.I wonder how someone with five senses can be convince that homosectual is right hwee hwee

  45. Unfortunate January 22, 2016 at 2:08 pm #

    What this Mugay (Mogae) said is inconsequential compared to the disappearance of Itai Dzamara in broad daylight like many other Zimbabweans. The sanctity of human life should be more important than someone’s use of their own anus. Dzamara is where he can’t make a decision for himself but gays and lesbians have a chance to repent. The same mouth that condemns the wicked practice of homosexualism is silent when innocent blood is shed. The death or disappearance of a single individual should send shock waves and massive tremors in our society but we are dead silent. Our real values are confused, a nation of absolute cowards.

  46. Piaget January 22, 2016 at 2:08 pm #

    Zanu handiidi zvangu asi zvekudhindana kumanyowa bodo. Mr Mogae, the problems in Zim have nothing to do with gays, but have something to do with the leadership. I feel those countries which allow or recognise gays should stop misusing the Holy Book because it is vividly stated that God does not like it. Thats why Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed.

  47. FARAI ZHOU January 22, 2016 at 2:37 pm #

    ah mogae give us a break. take your homosexuality to the brishit protectorate. uligwala

  48. alheit nemoyowese January 22, 2016 at 2:44 pm #

    Mogae you have an American air base in your country and blind enough when you tswanas are not allowed there. instead of thinking of tswana issues you comment about Mugabe.

  49. mathew January 22, 2016 at 2:45 pm #

    mr ex president who are you trying to impress. better leave true african icon leader.

  50. WILLARD MUBVUMBI January 22, 2016 at 2:48 pm #

    Those who castigates gays, do so during the day and at night they go out searching for gay bottoms. The question is, who are we to judge?

  51. mazino akaora January 22, 2016 at 2:59 pm #

    Willard urikurasika papi? Gays are worse than pigs and dogs. period. for this one I am one with the President

  52. mazino akaora January 22, 2016 at 3:00 pm #

    that’s what you get from a country with more goats than people. ask Jonso

  53. Chitengu Trust January 22, 2016 at 3:18 pm #

    Viva R G Mugabe, on the issue of changing with time kana mada imi vana Mogae do it but us as Zimbabweans chingochani taramba kwete. Times do change but God’s principles are never going to change, God hates homosexuality just as he does murder, divorce and other things stated in His word. May i pose this question to you VaMogae, are you a born again Christian? Pasi pasi nehungochani. I stand with my president there, those who practice homosexuality are worse than pigs and dogs.

  54. to hell with this mogae January 22, 2016 at 3:59 pm #

    Festus Mogae must be quiet if he doesn’t have something meaningfull to say…. keep your gay “rights”in botswana there not here in Zim…. we cant let such rottenness be done legally. we will def jail those with such behaviours. How can he say i was converted by the gays.. he is now one of them SHAME ON YOU

  55. UnBanked January 22, 2016 at 4:13 pm #

    Let he who has not sinned throw the 1st stone. We are living under Grace.

  56. sadza mushumha January 22, 2016 at 4:14 pm #

    I challenge moderators to publish my views. What wrong have i committed such that my comments are thoroughly vetoed. Why!!!!!
    Ronald i am sure there is someone like you who tested how sweet you are from behind or you have actually done it yourself. You are not worried by a man, a full man and a former president of an African country, who once upon a time was very critical about ngochanis and only to exercise a somersault in far away foreign lands, themselves havens of satanism and spiritual practices such as Hungochani. And as he announces his damascene moment he does so with collateral damage to his once upon a time friend and president, one Robert Mugabe of this our land of stones, the man who the west has vilified for over a decade. That can not be a mere conjecture of the eye. Mogae used to think like other African leaders on gays and lesbians. By African leaders of course he meant Robert. But now he has repented. I am not sure what he meant by that, but could he have been turned into one of them? You just wonder!!!! And to Ronald Matapire, aaah what massage is he concocting here besides to tell us he is one of them in spirit and latter. Mashura chaiwo from this shameless and foolish name who has the audacity to parrot his gay and lesbian stance in full view of gentle readers. And i realist the man is parading his real name not a penny name. Shameless triumvirate!!!

  57. African Eye January 22, 2016 at 4:34 pm #

    I used to think leaders swear by the Bible which speaks against such sins like same sex issues. Now l cant be surprised if these same leaders are African gay Presidents who hoodwinked the electorate to vote for them.

  58. ZackieBwerawa January 22, 2016 at 4:39 pm #

    Editor,

    You story is not a true reflection of what Mogae said. Especially in as far as you say he “blasts Mugabe”. Where does he mention Mugabe?

    Festus Mogae served as president of the southern African country of Botswana from 1998 to 2008. He is the recipient of several international awards, including the 2008 Ibrahim Prize for Achievement in African Leadership. In this interview held recently in New York with Tefo Pheage for Africa Renewal, the former president shared his thoughts on gay rights, the reform of the UN Security Council, the right to protect civilians in humanitarian crises and the fight against HIV/AIDS. These are excerpts from the interview.

    Africa Renewal: Let us start with the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people. Some African leaders are of the view that gay rights are un-African. They applauded Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe when he declared at the UN 70th General Assembly that Africans were not gay. As an advocate for LGBT rights, what is your view on Africa and human rights?

    Fetus Mogae: It’s not surprising that we appear to be speaking from different corners of the mouth. Differences in opinion are welcome. While I admit that the West often push their agendas on Africa, which we must be wary of, I also believe that we must, as Africans, admit that the world is changing and we must move with the times. This means often abandoning some of our long-held convictions about life, if the need arises. In my long interaction with LGBT groups and extensive research, I have come to the realisation that we are limited in our knowledge and must be open to new discoveries. I have been converted; I used to hold the same beliefs as my counterparts. President Mugabe has said that he hates homosexuals and is on record as saying they are worse than pigs and dogs. That is still his position. Leadership is not always about you, it is about people and often circumstances. I call upon African leaders to open up to second generation rights.

    You have on several occasions clashed with Botswana’s current leadership and religious organisations due to your persistent advocacy to decriminalise LGBT practices in Botswana. How has it been?

    Obviously not easy, but when you believe in something, nothing should stop you. Botswana inherited a law that outlaws is against homosexuality. We have not repealed it, but generally we have not harassed or arrested these groups (gays and lesbians). But the international community would say it is not enough to say you haven’t made any arrests because if you have such a law, you or another leader may wake up the next day and apply its provisions. Our argument as a country has always been that we haven’t imprisoned any member of these specific groups.

    Are you hopeful that LGBT rights will be respected in the near future in Africa?

    Yes, some countries like South Africa have already paved the way and others are following slowly. Change takes time and often meets resistance in some quarters. One of the challenges we have in Africa is that even the traditional leaders or chiefs are against LGBT groups. I once participated in a debate organised by the BBC. Traditional leaders argued that they didn’t like homosexuals because young people will follow their ways. They said they wanted their children to get married, give birth and keep family names alive and bring bride prices, amongst many other benefits. I found this to be selfish and a wrong mentality towards LGBT rights.

    The UN has been heavily criticised of late by some member states for being ineffective and undemocratic. Do you think the UN has lived up to expectations?

    Just like any other organisation, the UN has its own problems and limitations. I think the problem is with the Security Council and its veto power. The UN would be better off and more democratic without veto powers. Even we as Africans have to advocate for total abolition of the veto, but not permanent Security Council membership. In that case, states will be more equal. It is without a doubt that at the UN, some member states are more equal than others. The concept of vetoes is outdated and is tarnishing the good name of the UN.

    The African Union has been pushing for a seat on the Security Council but it seems to be unable to agree on which country would occupy such a seat. What’s your comment on this?

    I support Africa’s demand for an AU permanent seat on the Security Council. The question, however, is whether we are capable of nominating one of our own to represent us. You will recall that there is Nigeria, South Africa, Kenya, Egypt and others who want to join the Council. We should be advocating for a permanent seat for an African country that will take its mandate from all the AU heads of states.

    How do we balance a country’s sovereignty with the right of outsiders to intervene particularly in times of economic failure, humanitarian crisis or internal conflicts?

    As with everything else, it is always the difficulties at the margins. Even if a country is well governed, it could still face unprecedented levels of unemployment as we have here in Botswana. But that should not justify outside intervention. However, if a country starts to experience inter-ethnic conflicts, the international community could feel they cannot sit on the sidelines and watch people being butchered willy-nilly by those who once vowed to protect them. Sovereignty has limits like any other right. A leader cannot kill and harass his people and hide behind sovereignty. A true leader does not kill but protects his people. We still have leaders in Africa who think they are indispensable, larger than life and more important than their countries. That must stop. If a leader loses control, the world will and should intervene to save the people.

    You are regarded globally as a champion in the fight against HIV/AIDS. In your travels throughout Africa, how do you assess this fight?

    We have fought a good battle but we are still experiencing new infections. I think our worst enemy is complacency. You will recall that after the virus was first discovered in the 1980s in Africa, people were dying on a massive scale. We entered into a state of panic and too much stigma and discrimination was attached to the deadly virus. All that has since changed. But the biggest mistake will be to think we have won the war. In Botswana, we declared the virus an emergency. I took the HIV/AIDS fight from the Ministry of Health to the presidency for close and more authoritative monitoring, and it paid off. The situation has greatly stabilised, according to statistics, and I have learnt that the same has been happening in other countries.

  59. sambiri January 22, 2016 at 4:53 pm #

    The issue is about democratic rights in general amongst them this gays story. Lets focus on the full story and analyse the dictatorial tendencies by African leaders which Mogae is talking about. Unfortunately zimbo misdirect themselves and avoid the truth each time advise is given to their goddess and start write their own stories out of a story. African leaders sacrifices the country for their own egos period.

    • Nelliectine January 22, 2016 at 6:05 pm #

      As much as dictatorial tendencies are rife amongst all leaders not only Africa, i strong believe the Gay issue is not about any African leader and their egos its a biblical position why not attack the one who said it GOD and not a leader who is simply saying what was spoken.

  60. cruel king January 22, 2016 at 4:54 pm #

    Mogae you are a former stupid president,you failed to control yr Botswana now u think you can control our Zim?togather with our president we don’t want gay people in our country,accept them in your Country and leave us alone.

  61. Godfrey January 22, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

    hey people ,will you ever know when and how God(Mother nature)will act decisively as you may like it.This requires a simple mind of reason,hold on to what you believe and remain steadfast for surely this world was brought to life by some powers and these powers can take anything from it at the time it desires-for the good of nature itself-Man shall never live forever manipulating the world in his own way as if you created this universe-Blessed are those who will survive the unbearable tribulations.man have come to the point of taking over the Nature powers to be themselves to rule forever until they change this world into whaever they want it to be.But they forget that the world is more than what they can number when talking of its age.Who really, the world over, can tell the world the age of the Universe.So many things happened as some are saying,killings,neuclea weapons ,technologies, name them but can we say why did God remained silent when all these things happened-NO.The time is coming when his decision will be fulfilled and felt.What is your reasoning to WHY DID THIS WORLD COME TO EXISTANCE-IS IT FOR US TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT WITH WHAREVER IS IN IT.I just wonder.

  62. Bopoto January 22, 2016 at 5:01 pm #

    why?

    • Nelliectine January 22, 2016 at 6:01 pm #

      “This means often abandoning some of our long-held convictions about life, if the need arises.”
      Seriously Mr Mogae I have just lost all the respect I had for you as a leader if you are advocating for what God said (its not our convictions) to be abandoned at the expense of moving times. His word will remain the same yesterday,today and forever.This is not a Mugabe issue its God’s issue and you must tell Him that His word is now outdated.

  63. Arnold January 22, 2016 at 6:02 pm #

    In that case of gay or lesbian I really support Mr President Mugabe 100%.the bible says God created Man and Women ,he never created a gay or lesbian

  64. Jubilee Johns January 22, 2016 at 6:55 pm #

    Without doubt Robert Mugabe has overstayed his welcome. Ñeverthess we will not accept lesbians and gays Mr Festus Mogae! Righteoustness exalts a nation but sin is a
    reproach to any people!

  65. MAN UNITED January 22, 2016 at 7:08 pm #

    SODOM AND GOMORRAH ………………..LEST WE FORGET!

  66. rosybrown5489 January 22, 2016 at 7:36 pm #

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  67. mosii January 22, 2016 at 8:17 pm #

    Well, thats Mogae’s opinion. I like him because he is progressive in thinking and doesn’t waste time on trivial issues.

  68. kwaa January 22, 2016 at 8:38 pm #

    I will never buy anything in Choppies gett way Mogae

  69. chandagwinyara Robert January 22, 2016 at 9:43 pm #

    Nonsense Mogae .I we willard ndosaka kine word rinonzi ryt nawrong meaning to say that there is some judgement .you can’t correct wrong by doing a wrong mahure aripo asI hatizvikurudzire zvachose .Wat belief do u support and follow really which makes u have concern over homosexuality .we as Christians we stand against homosexuality.

  70. Fire January 22, 2016 at 11:28 pm #

    A big no to gays.fi real burn dem alive.

  71. Shepherds en de Wilderness January 22, 2016 at 11:57 pm #

    beware of of controlling yrself and fellows and forget about those who lost in their pathways.We are not there to judge bt controlling the way of of life legally.
    ……

  72. George January 23, 2016 at 6:07 am #

    There is one proof that God exists. That proof is Jesus Christ. Anyone who believes in this proof, Jesus Christ will see God. God knew people would need proof for His existence, so He sent Jesus Christ. His life is a testimony to God’s existence. You don’t have to see him like the people who lived in his time. Just read about him even on Wikipedia you will see he was nothing short of being proof of God’s existence. Because he knew he was the only proof of God, he said, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.” He knew other people would come and pretend to be from God, but none other are authentic. In fact none is as remarkable as Jesus. You can only believe God by believing PROOF OF HIS EXISTENCE, i.e. Jesus. He is the way to God, the truth and the light which make it easy for you eyes to see God. No one will see God without believing Jesus first because any other way, that person’s faith would be twisted and unauthentic. Anti gay laws is not Christian. People make life choices like being gay, adultery etc. The bible says he will judge those people, but Christianity and the bible allow people to make choices, good or bad. If someone sees the light (Jesus) they will stop their gay life. It doesn’t make sense in Christianity for someone to be forced not to sin by the law but still not see God after this life. The person must be saved first and no one will ask them to live like a Christian. The bible talks about the weeds and encourage us to leave them to grow together with the crops until harvest time. We should do the same with gays.

  73. George January 23, 2016 at 7:19 am #

    I have suggested you read Wikipedia first about Jesus. I know it is not an accurate source of information on Jesus. The bible is the most accurate source if you want to know about Jesus. The bible itself is not 100% accurate but it’s more than enough to teach you about God. I didn’t suggest the bible because satan has put a stigma on the bible. People find it easier to believe in dinosaurs than to believe in the bible. Some believers of dinosaurs or the evolution theory of Darwin actually believe Jesus never existed although the year 2016 actually refers to the time since Jesus Christ. I thought Wikipedia can be an initial point to start for atheists. If the inaccurate Wikipedia challenges you enough you may decide to know more from the bible. When you read it from the bible you may be surprised but you may not necessarily be saved because Jesus said “no one can come to me unless the father draws them…” It’s God’s choice and grace to save. You will only be saved if you make an initial step towards God who is “knocking at the door.”

  74. George January 23, 2016 at 7:53 am #

    People find it easier to believe in dinosaurs, Charles Darwin, the Big Bang theory etc than to believe in Jesus or God, despite the fact that the current dating system refers to number of years since Jesus. According to the bible, homosexuality is a sin just like adultery etc. It is not given a special category. Let people make their choices as adults, in the same way they chose to commit adultery. The law doesn’t have to say anything about these people. We don’t have to write it in our constitution. They should do it in private and they are doing it even now. About officialisation of gay marriages, NO. Anyway, the majority of Zimbabweans will outlaw open gay marriages for their own reasons. It’s a law made by Zimbabweans. No one should force their beliefs on the people of Zimbabwean. It’s not backward to outlaw gay rights. It’s a choice by Zimbabweans. It’s not based on Christian beliefs. Even in the USA, it only became legal in all states in June 2015. Yet Mugabe has been attacked well before that. Did we hear people attack Obama before that? God might actually sustaining Mugabe for his gay stance. It’s my opinion because there is nothing else good about that old man. Other leaders who take from him should change other failures of Mugabe but not the gay laws. Allow Zimbabwean to say what they want. Until majority of Zimbabweans say yes to gay marriages, we should maintain Mugabe’s position.

  75. Mdara January 23, 2016 at 10:58 am #

    Imboko mhani mface uyu, our principles are guided by the Almighty God and not the Americanisation issue. we will never be mind colonised due to lack of resources or money, we are still surviving since the economic drown drain hit our country. We will never accept Gays or lesbians in our country. Get off and stay in Botswana or soon we are going to indigenize your shareholding in Choppies. no wonder why Botswana is a desert 7/10 of the country it´s because if u had enough forests you would go and behave like wild pigs in the forests. Zimbabwe can not and will not bow to stupid idolatry culture. We are a Christian guided nation and a prayerful people, so back off.

  76. ian khama January 23, 2016 at 4:21 pm #

    it is only God that has the right to judge.we should show love and stop pointing fingures coz no one is perfect.however mugabe must answer for his killings, of white farmers ,the ndebele people and latest his opponents. Zimbabwe is for all of you Zimbabweans not for mugabe.i dont own Botswana but i make it prosper for the sake of my people.

  77. Mayelani January 23, 2016 at 4:29 pm #

    Personal I believe that God keeps and protect Mugabe in power mostly for this reason. He does not beat about the bush when it comes to this issue.

  78. Lloyd makuni mangure January 23, 2016 at 7:19 pm #

    To hell wt dat fomer president he s so stupid how can a man sleep with another man theses fake africans are being paid by da Whites 2 support same sex marriage but its bads 4 a n African t utter such silly words in support of da evil doers i say pamberei na Mugabe

  79. Chehuta January 24, 2016 at 8:00 pm #

    Mogae is mad,he now fails to satisfy his female partner coz of his hiv status,now he wants to go for men

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