Churches push for ED, Chamisa talks

CHURCHES under the banner of the Zimbabwe Council of Churches are leading efforts to bring President Emmerson Mnangagwa and opposition MDC Alliance leader Nelson Chamisa to the negotiating table to break the post-election conundrum characterised by a worsening cash crisis and escalating shortages of some basic products.

BY OBEY MANAYITI

Mnangagwa and Chamisa were the main contenders in the July 30 poll, seen as key to pulling the southern African nation out of international isolation and launching economic recovery.

But Chamisa rejected Mnangagwa’s victory despite the Constitutional Court throwing out his petition challenging the result and has since maintained that he won the election, regularly calling his rival “illegitimate”.

Mnangagwa, despite a widely condemned army crackdown on opposition supporters that left seven people dead on August 1, has offered an olive branch to ihs nemesis, saying he has “a vital role to perform in Zimbabwe’s future” and proposed an official Westminster style “Leader of Opposition” post in Parliament for his rival.

The army crackdown is now being probed by a commission headed by former South African President Kgalema Motlanthe.

Churches disclosed their plan at the Alpha Media Holdings (AMH) Conversations platform on Wednesday, which was attended by clerics, captains of industry and diplomats to interrogate how Zimbabwe could move forward.

“The process of envisioning is not an easy one. It must be painful and it is supposed to give nightmares to us because we are trying to grapple with our past trying to make sense of the present. But we are also trying to envision where we are going as a nation,” ZCC vice-president Bishop Solomon Zwana told the gathering.

“Let us try to find ways to move our nation forward. Yes, there is a period of problems and there must be another period of strategising and yet another phase of moving forward and not continue to mourn without trying to look for practical ways of moving forward.”

The ZCC officials later met with Chamisa at the Anglican Cathedral in Harare on Wednesday evening.

ZCC secretary-general Kenneth Mtata declined to say what the churches discussed with the MDC Alliance leader, but said they were waiting for Chamisa to sign a “document” before going on to the next stage, adding that their focus was to bring the parties to the negotiating table urgently.


Mtata said Zanu PF party officials were aware of their meeting with Chamisa.

“Yes, Zanu PF is willing, but it must be formalised and they are aware of the meeting that we held yesterday (Wednesday). There is likelihood that we may have these dialogues starting soon,” he said without going into detail.

“What we are trying to achieve is that there are key actors in Zimbabwe who must be able to come to negotiate and how we create a future process in which there will be convergence in the way we are thinking post elections.

“The biggest challenge we have is that right now, we don’t have dialogue. The reason why we need dialogue in Zimbabwe is that our politics is poisoned, our people are polarised and even if we use official results, it means that half of the population is for Nelson and half are for ED. It tells you that we are in a country where those two people will need, in a way, to talk to each other on how they provide a common narrative for the nation.”

Mtata said even before elections, the churches had insisted on dialogue among the key political actors.

“We have proposed that at the moment, there are two main actors, that are Zanu PF and the MDC (Alliance). They can pretend as much as they want that they will go for elections and preparing for 2023 and so forth,” he said.

“But we have a deeper challenge of mistrust and lack of recognition of institutions, suspicion that some institutions are captured. So before we even try to imagine resuscitating the economy, we must clear the air. At the moment, someone will be saying ‘Zimbabwe is open for business’, while on the other hand, someone will be saying Zimbabwe is closed for business and that will not move this country forward.”

Mtata refused to shed light on who ZCC was talking to in Zanu PF, citing “sensitivity” of the matter.

After the Wednesday meeting with the clergymen, Chamisa told NewsDay that he was ready for dialogue.

“We are not dialoguing because we are in a weak position, but we are dialoguing because we believe that all nations are built on the foundation of dialogue,” Chamisa said.

“Even if we are to say we are to confront Zanu PF, after confrontation, there has to be a table. So, it’s better if you are able to get a table sooner than protests in the streets. But if they are not able to listen, we will take the long route until they see the logic and sense of unity, peace and working in a progressive manner.”

He said the people were divided and the country was confronted by many challenges, hence the need for dialogue.

“We need both hands to be able to tackle the magnitude of this problem. One hand will not suffice,” Chamisa said.

Asked about Mnangagwa’s statements that his doors were also open, Chamisa retorted: “If his doors are open, then he must walk out of those doors and locate our doors that are very open. We cannot go to his doors because they are locked. We have looked around and we see that the doors are locked.”

Chamisa said the offer to create the office of the Opposition Leader was totally unacceptable.

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44 Comments

  1. if a losing candidate sits down with a winner then cash crisis and imagined food and other shortages will be resolved , i do not get it

    1. Well done Elisha, I think you need to go to wombonomamatirwa kuti madhimoni ako abude. Solomon and David. Solomon was the king in peoples eyes but in the eyes of God David was. Anoiting was no longer with Solomon but David. For peace to rein Solomon used to summon David and David will play his flute. Anywhere to you it might not make any sense. But the reality is that ED can try as much as he could but nothing will come out. Let me come back to Zim in 2008 Mugabe forced himself and we all know what happened. He talked with Tsvangirai and overnight things were restored investores started to flock in to the country. 2013 Mugabe cheated his way in to power and we all know what happened that resulted in the born of bond, investor fled the country so many bad things came. So ED and guys like you cannot read between the lines. It is the annoiting of God. ED hands are full of innocent blood including the 7 dzemusi wa 1 August 2018

      1. Are you taking about the biblical anecdote David and Saul or its something else

      2. Your mistook this for Kings Saul and David….Note that very well otherwise your contribution is super and practical!

      3. i am sorry i do not subscribe to this bible crap i just look at facts as there are

  2. Zimbabwe is a nation which oparates with a constitution. And in our electoral law, a candidate who ganers 50 percent plus 1 vote is the constitutionaly elected head of state who must take oath of office within a stipulated period of time. President Mnangagwa got 50 percent of votes plus several tens of thousands of votes so where is the electoral crisis here? Fellow zimbabweans, let us learn to stick to rules and regulations and we will never go wrong. In any nation that gives its citizens a variety of choices, people will always have different preferences and that is very natural and normal and should not be taken for a crisis. Chamisa got 44,3 percent and that is way below 50 percent plus 1 vote and the electoral law says he cannot be declared president of Zimbabwe. So those men of cloth who wish to take part in our politics should come out in the open rather than following the back door channel.

    1. Kuvhumuka hakurambidzwi. The so called winner wants dialogue ko iwe zvako urikushora unombori ani

      1. Taura hako ishuro hayo,irikuti there is no need for dialogue yet Ed pachake is seeking tht dialogy with Chamisa vice versa

    2. If your question could be directed at ED, as he is the one still acting as if he did not win the election…he is creating offices of leader of opposition, he is sending emissaries etc so he would be able to answer you. Lapha singaba bali bendaba kuphela/Pano tiri vaverengi venhau chete.

    3. Tell that to the clergymen. Did Chamisa approach them? If your thinking is right, why are you bothering Chamisa? Everytime, Chamisa this, Chamisa that. Whether you like it or not with your 50.6% votes, yeZimbabwe haivhiyiwi Chamisa asipo. The sooner you get that into your Zanu PF head, the better it will be for the country at large.

  3. The crisis that we are facing has nothing to do this supposed dialogue. We need to fight corruption, improve value addition and increase exports and come up with import substitution. The private sector needs to change its old way of doing business. Chamisa should try hi’s luck in 2023.

    1. so why those got their luck are struggling to solve the country’s crisis

    2. Are you a visitor to Zimbabwe? Fighting corruption, improving value addition and increasing exports and coming up with import substitution has been impossible for 38 years. How do you export when you do not produce? What import substitution do you suggest for flour, fuel or drugs?

      The private sector is not responsible for desalinization laws, monetary policy, exchange controls etc. The private sector is struggling to get operational forex using the bond note the same way every ordinary Zimbabwean is struggling to buy increasingly expensive necessities.

  4. What talks. Chamisa should simply be jailed if he continues fomenting trouble. MDC is now the problem in the country. We have voted them year in and out but what is now very clear is that theyn lack a strategy to take power from Zanu Pf. Chamisa was promising us that rigging will not happen bla bla blah but after Zanu Pf rigged as expected he is showing serious delusional problem thinking that Zanu can be ousted by civil unrest

  5. The ZCC appears to be misguided. What does Chamisa or the MDC-Alliance have to do with over-taxation, curtailing corruption, or a forever-borrowing-and-spending government that insists on living beyond its means? If anything, a cooperative arrangement (by whatever name) between government and the opposition will lead to a larger (divided) cabinet with the attendant costs.

    1. Wezhira Wezhara

      @Muzepete you seem not to understand politics. There is no over borrowing or taxation effect here. The only problem is that we have captains of industry who are MDC and are sabotaging the economy. You cannot whip the majority into your own way of thinking because you control the economy. Smith was doing the same thing with a minority white people and we took up arms to remove that system in favour of a one man one vote. Now if the “MDC” captains of industry believe they control the economy and hence besides being the minority, they want Chamisa to rule, then we will be forced to do it “chitororo” way. This time we will not use guns but we will open those warehouses where you are hording commodities. We will sell those commodities at stipulated prices. Maguta kunyarwa.

      1. Tell that to the clergymen. Did Chamisa approach them? If your thinking is right, why are you bothering Chamisa? Everytime, Chamisa this, Chamisa that. Whether you like it or not with your 50.6% votes, yeZimbabwe haivhiyiwi Chamisa asipo. The sooner you get that into your Zanu PF head, the better it will be for the country at large.

      2. i think if u open the warehouses of cash munenge magona baba coz economy haisi mumaoko emunhu but mumusoro.

      3. I understand politics enough to sense that with this regime trying to play nice-nice with the West, your comment suggests that we may soon see its propaganda shift from blaming sanctions to blaming “‘MDC- captains of industry”….

  6. As in real life, stealing elections doesn’t pay off. ED will never be able to govern this country in peace and confidence because of his own misdeeds. It shall be excuses all the way, first they shall cite the constitution, then they shall blame Chamisa, then sanctions, then factions etc but nothing shall come to fruition, watch the space

  7. This “winner takes all” mode of governance is a colonial and exploitative concept introduced by the Arabs and Europeans. Our original and African mode of governance (Chivanhu/UBUNTU) has been by consensus. The Bible also confirms this, “A house that is divided will not stand”.

    1. Is that not a romanticized version? My understanding is of rotating chieftainships and kingships within selected families – with occasional bloodletting and poisonings to grab power within that system; much as happened in ancient systems elsewhere on our planet. As the quote goes: “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.” As for the OT….

  8. F.J. Nhire,you might be logically blind but I don’t think you’re blind to the fact that things are getting out of hand. Ever since the majority winner was sworn into office things have been changing for the worst. Remember elections , just like your beloved Constitutionalism can be manipulated.

    1. Mberengwa as whole needs only one constuency but ZANU PF created four,the population there is almost half of the Mbare costituency, so its not issue of majority voting, lets say only those that pay tax tax must vote not only munhu anovhotera 10 kg ye mbeu yaanaopiwa kamwe chete Gore rese

  9. this foolish chamisa is now affecting some innocent people with his surname and can not get a job as companies say you are related to a fool causing suffering to Zimbabwe through Tonga-Tione Operation by MDC-A. Mugabe, Sithole,Muzorewa, Tsvangirai and Biti are some of the cholerased names. I am Hungwe by totem and Chamisa imoyo.

  10. Vanopenga !!!
    Because their MDC was defeated??

  11. Making Chamisa larger than life does not change the fact that he lost the elections. What is needed is some form of austerity measures whether the irrelevant Chamisa is there or not. In fact, he is not needed anywhere near the government.

  12. But who said the absence of dialogue with the opposition is the cause of things to go out of hand unless some business people are misusing their operating licences for political expediency? It is very important to remember that things have not been well for many years and it’s not logical for the general populace to expect the new adminstration to solve the economic problems overnight. It will take time and things may get worse before they get better and president Mnangagwa did not promise to peform miracles for Zimbabwe. That is why he has a full five year term within which to do his best.

  13. A thief must be made to hand back stolen property or go to jail or both, no negotiations. The only negotiation is for ED to tell us when he intends to hand himself over to police kkkkkk

  14. Tsek, hapana chekutaurirana nesvana svemupuruvheya!!!

  15. This is total shit. I mean everything around the so called discussions is shit. We need a robust government that faces reality. The gvt is overspending, forex reserves are dry, informal sector is booming, formal sector is shrinking, high corruption, Americans Zidera, a mandated gvt, a weeping opposition, an educated and innovative but foolish workforce, Chinese looters diguising as investors etc. What do you do? I think ED and the General have a solution so lets wait……. But eish kusvina mota kunorwadza.

  16. ED and Chamisa need get their heads out of their arses and start working together. Zimbabwe has to come first.

  17. tendai chaminuka

    Churches should first find unity within themselves kana vasina kudaro this negotiating business yavari kuda kuita is doomed.They just want to seek publicity sezvanoita vachiparidza mharidzo dzisina huMwari mumacongregation avo.

  18. These zanupf EDiots have plenty of energy when it comes to insulting Chamisa yet ED ‘dhololo’ is failing to solve a single problem facing the country & its almost coming to 1 year in power now (including November swearing in). From the insane twins of Mangudya & Nthuli’s crazy economic policies to the logically inexplicable costly hiring of a private jet for Grace Mugabe to the cholera outbreak its dhololo all round

  19. Zimbabwe first kwete zvema CIO anoshandira kudya iwo. some of these comments is bad fr ED and if not Zanu. Give those gentleman space to negotiate thats were the solution for Zimbabwe lies especially after this Mugabe era

  20. Tongai tione, handiti maiti pfeeeeee, takakutii maPfeeeeerorists mukati hamubviri. hazvigoni kuisa Lipstick panguruve uko. munofunga kuti ihondo yeminda here, inonzi economy mhanduwe, Bvunzai Mugabe paakabira Doctor Tsvangirai, akasura nayo nyika iyi kusvika ati sorry, manje hamudzidzi, basa kushoropodza maChurch arikuona vanhu vachitambura imi moti vanopenga nokuda kwesvimari svamunopiwa pano, tibvirei kumhepo. nxaa.

  21. Taura hako ishuro hayo,irikuti there is no need for dialogue yet Ed pachake is seeking tht dialogy with Chamisa vice versa

  22. Zvighubhu ngondo ngondo

    The churches have started again. They want to say accept that you were defeated so that the country can move forward. This is what we call hogwash. Zanu PF knew that they would not win a free election. They refused to reform according to the constitution and even stole the Presidential election through the captured judiciary. Zanu PF won the elections. They must rule. The churches are starting a precedent so that Zanu will steal the next elections and call for dialogue again like they did in 2008.If they have to dialogue then the opposition must demand certain things before they agree to anything 1. Realign the laws to the constitution first
    2. Remove the toxic laws like POSA AIPPA and others 3.The diaspora must vote
    4.Zec must be disbanded and a person selected not by Zanu PF but by al stakeholders should head ZEC. 5. The media should be reformed and the TV and radio waves should open to other political parties and not parrot Zanu PF propaganda. If the opposition agrees to enter without these in place then they must know they are selling out and they should remember Zanu PF is already planning to steal the 2023 elections as well.

  23. Kune vanhu vanofunga nekushure chete. Vamwe vakapihwa pfungwa dzeshiri.Dialogue is the best way forward. ZANU PF and ED want dialogue because they know it is necessary given what they know about Zimbabweans feelings at the moment. The church has a role to play. At the moment Chamisa and MDC Alliance should meet and find a solution to this economic problem like what they did with Morgan 2008.Zimbabwe is not for a certain party. IF dialogue is not necessary why did ED say my door is open for Chamisa? It means he recognises him as the biggest opposition party.For the country to move forward ED and Chamisa must meet and resolve their differences.Weldone ZCC for such initiative.

  24. Brethren and sisters,our country need God to come and rescue us.I think Chamisa does not understand the character of David,because although Saul was trying to kill David,but David continue going to sing to Saul when the evil spirit came upon Saul.But what spirit of David is in Chamisa?

  25. Mnangagwa will not walk away from State House and invite Chamisa to take over. So how does Chamisa expect himself to be inaugurated president before 2023?

  26. The churches have started again. They want to say accept that you were defeated so that the country can move forward. This is what we call hogwash. Zanu PF knew that they would not win a free election. They refused to reform according to the constitution and even stole the Presidential election through the captured judiciary. Zanu PF won the elections. They must rule. The churches are starting a precedent so that Zanu will steal the next elections and call for dialogue again like they did in 2008.If they have to dialogue then the opposition must demand certain things before they agree to anything 1. Realign the laws to the constitution first
    2. Remove the toxic laws like POSA AIPPA and others 3.The diaspora must vote
    4.Zec must be disbanded and a person selected not by Zanu PF but by al stakeholders should head ZEC. 5. The media should be reformed and the TV and radio waves should open to other political parties and not parrot Zanu PF propaganda. If the opposition agrees to enter without these in place then they must know they are selling out and they should remember Zanu PF is already planning to steal the 2023 elections as well.

  27. It is also time for ED to locate culprits around him.Someone who’s formalizing policies that closes the doors he is trying to open is a culprit

  28. Mnangagwa will not walk away from State House and invite Chamisa to take over. So how does Chamisa expect himself to be inaugurated president before 2023?…..very true.So if not the inclusive way then are these people saying Zimbabwe shall suffer the five-year..OR MDC is pushing the public to resort to the highest level of settling disputes…If their plan is so,they better not forget the material by which Zimbos are built-malleable

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