ZIMBABWEANS go to a referendum tomorrow to accept or reject a Copac draft constitution as part of fulfilling the September 2008 Global Political Agreement that ushered in the inclusive government.
REPORT BY VENERANDA LANGA
NewsDay senior parliamentary reporter Veneranda Langa (ND) this week spoke to National Constitutional Assembly (NCA) chairperson Lovemore Madhuku (LM), whose organisation is campaigning for the rejection of the draft charter. Below are the excerpts of the interview:
ND: From the NCA standpoint, why should Zimbabweans vote “No” for the draft constitution?
LM: This is not a democratic and people-driven constitution. A democratic constitution must be people-driven. This is a constitution being imposed on us by three political parties, yet the people are bigger than these parties. No political party or group of political parties must be allowed to give the country a constitution. A constitution must come from the people.
The people of Zimbabwe should vote “No” because the process has not been driven by their collective wants and aspirations, but it was politically driven. The outreach programmes were marred by political coaching of participants along the lines of the three political parties constituting the government of national unity. There were serious cases of violence during the meetings, one case resulted in the death of a participant at Mai Musodzi Hall in Mbare.
The process itself was conducted under the same conditions of repressive laws such as Public Order and Security Act, etc, thus discouraging open discourse among the people of Zimbabwe.
All this serves to prove the fact that the process was not driven by the people of Zimbabwe, but the political leaders themselves. Outside the contents of the draft, the politicians have given the people just three weeks to access the documents and as the NCA, we believe that such a period can never be enough for the people of Zimbabwe, hence our appeal to the courts to have the dates of the referendum postponed in order to allow the people enough time.
In the same vein, the NCA condemns with contempt the fact that only 90 000 copies have been printed for the whole of Zimbabwe’s 12 million population. We are convinced that this is a strategy to make sure Zimbabweans vote without understanding the document.
ND: What exactly are you fighting against in the Copac draft constitution? Could it be that you were excluded in the constitution-making process. Did you perhaps you want the process to be co-owned together with your NCA?
LM: The NCA has traditionally called for a genuine people-driven constitution. That is the course we have maintained, that is what we have always believed in.
ND: What is the ideal constitution-making process Zimbabwe should embrace?
LM: We believe an ideal constitutional reform process that should produce a new constitution of Zimbabwe people-driven, participatory process and must in it guarantee:
lThat the Republic of Zimbabwe shall be a democracy with separation of powers, a justiciable Bill of Rights that recognises civil, political, social, economic, cultural and environmental rights;
- lDevolution of government authority to provinces and to local government level;
- lA multi-party system of democratic government based on universal suffrage and regular free and fair elections, and the right to recall public officials;
- lThe right to citizenship for any person born in Zimbabwe birth certificates, national identity documents and passports shall be easily available for all citizens;
- lA credible and fair election management body and process;
- lAn independent, impartial and competent judiciary;
- lThe protection of labour rights and the right to informal trade;
- lThe protection and promotion of the rights of people living with disabilities;
- lIndependent and impartial commissions which deal with gender equality, land, elections, human rights and social justice;
- lAn impartial State security apparatus;
- The People shall have a constitutional reform process, which is characterised by the following: —
- lComprehensive consultation with the people of Zimbabwe wherein they are guaranteed freedom of expression and information, association and assembly;
- lThe collection of the views of the people and their compilation into a draft constitution that shall be undertaken by an All-Stakeholders’ Commission composed of representatives of government, Parliament, political parties, civil society, labour, business and the church with a gender and minority balance.
- lA transparent process of the appointment of the All-Stakeholders’ Commission members as well as their terms of reference;
- lThe holding of a national referendum on any draft constitution.
The people of Zimbabwe must embrace it because it (the constitution) is their views not the views of the political elites.
ND: Does the Copac draft have any views that you might say advance or entrench democracy? Any examples?
LM: We believe in evaluating the constitution in totality and not in sections, as such we dismiss the draft with all its aspects.
ND: Has the NCA done its homework so as to ensure Zimbabweans support their “No” vote? Are you confident of getting enough support?
LM: The NCA is a grassroots organisation with structures across the country. Our members are doing their best to mobilise Zimbabweans to reject the Copac fraud.
17 reasons why NCA rejects draft
The draft constitution leaves all power in the president, who is allowed to do what he/she wants.
1. The NCA strongly objects to the powers of the President. Here are the powers of the President.
- lThe President is head of State, head of government and commander-in-chief (Section 89).
- lThe powers of the President as head of State are unlimited (Section 110(1).
- l The President appoints all ministers and deputy ministers on his/her own without the approval of Parliament (Section 104).
- lThere is no maximum limit on the number of ministers and deputy ministers. It is up to the President (Section 104).
- lThe President alone constitutes the Cabinet (Section 105). The statement in the draft constitution saying the President exercises Executive authority “through
Cabinet” has no value because the Cabinet is the President`s baby. All Cabinet ministers are hired and fired by the President at his/her pleasure.
- lThe President is allowed to appoint up to five Ministers from outside Parliament. This is bringing back appointed non-constituency MPs (Section 104(3)).
- lThe President appoints all ambassadors without consulting anybody (Section 204).
- lThe President has the final say over the appointment of all permanent secretaries (Section 205).
- l The President appoints all security chiefs (army commanders, commissioner of police, director of CIO etc). In making these appointments, all the President is required to do is to consult one of his/her ministers (Chapter 11).
- lThe President has the final say over the appointment of all judges (Section 180). Although there is provision for interviews, the President has power to refuse to appoint any of those recommended and order the Judicial Service Commission to start afresh.
- lThe President alone appoints the Attorney-General (Section 114) and may fire him/her at any time (Section 115).
- lThe President has the final say over the appointment of the Prosecutor-General (Section 259).
- l The President has the final say over the appointment of all Commissions including the Zimbabwe Electoral Commission (Chapter 12).
- lThe President approves salaries, allowances and benefits for all civil servants from the lowest to the highest worker (Section 203 (4)). The President still has this power after appointing a Minister for the Public Service and the Civil Service Commission.
- lThe President has power to dissolve Parliament if it refuses to pass his/her government`s budget (Section 143 (3)).
- lThe President also has power to dissolve Parliament if it passes a vote-of-no-confidence in his/her government (Section 109 (4)).
- lThe Constitution does not impose a duty on the President to answer questions in Parliament. It leaves this to be decided by a future Parliament so that the political party controlling Parliament will shield the President from answering questions (Section 140(3)).
- lThe President has unlimited immunity while in office and is allowed to plead “good faith” after leaving office (Section 98).
- lThe President has power to declare war. The role of Parliament in this regard is useless (Section 111).
- lThe President has power to pardon his/her political allies (Section 112).
- lThe President has power to declare a state of emergency (Section 113).
- lA person who has left office as President will receive a monthly salary (called a pension) equal to the salary of the sitting President (Section 102(3)). This is for life.
- 2. There are two Vice-Presidents (Section 92). We no longer need two Vice-Presidents in a new constitution. Further, a person who has left office as Vice-President will continue to receive, for the rest of his/her life, a monthly salary (called a pension) equal to the salary of a sitting Vice-President (Section 102 (3)).
- 3. The size of Parliament has been increased to a total of 350 MPs (270 National Assembly and 80 Senators), (Section 120 and 124). The number increases to 355MPs with five ministers appointed by the President. We have no resources for such a huge legislature. In 1980 there were 140 MPs, in 1990 we had 150, in 2005 the number went up to 216 and in 2008 it became 303.
- 4. The increase in the size of Parliament is coming from an additional 60 seats for women. For a woman to qualify for any of these seats, she has to be a member of a political party. There are no direct elections for the seats. The quota for female MPs should be taken out of the existing number of MPs without increasing the size of Parliament.
- 5. Despite its huge size, Parliament remains very weak. It is just a talk shop. So why increase the number of MPs to join a talk shop. The political parties are just creating employment for their supporters at the expense of the people.
- 6. There are no term limits for Members of Parliament.
- 7. Except for the chapters on the Bill of Rights (Chapter 4) and Land (Chapter 16), this constitution can be amended by Parliament without a referendum (Section 328). This means that all provisions, including those on term limits, will be amended by future Parliaments, thus maintaining the current problem where the constitution has been amended several times.
- 8. For the next 10 years, if the President resigns or dies, there are no by-elections for the President. The country is given a President by the political party of the former President, yet people elect a person and not a political party as President (See Paragraph 14, Schedule 6). This means that if there are internal fights in the political party concerned, the country will have to go without a President until the political party sorts itself out. Is this not making political parties more important than the country? The issue of running mates, which will apply after 10 years did not come from the people.
- 9. There is no devolution at all. There are very weak Provincial Councils composed of the same people who are in Parliament. MPs will have two jobs: the province and Parliament. The provincial Councils do not govern anything in the Province (Chapter 14).
- 10. There is no provision compelling the State to allocate a specified minimum percentage of the nation’s revenue to deal with the needs of the poor. A people-driven constitution will allocate specific funding for food, health, education and water.
- 11. Most rights in the Bill of Rights are listed for decoration as there is no mechanism for their realisation.
- 12. For workers, the right to strike is very restricted and will not be available, while government workers will continue to be subject to conditions of work different from those of other workers, such as with collective bargaining.
- 13. There is no right to vote for Zimbabweans in the Diaspora.
- 14. The Zimbabwe Media Commission established by the constitution (Section 248) will be an instrument used by the state to undermine freedom of expression.
- 15. The winner-take-all electoral system is still intact despite the demand by the people for a mixed electoral system, allowing proportional representation for half the MPs.
- 16. The death penalty does not apply to all female murderers and males above 70 years. This is undesirable. If the death penalty is retained, it must not be applied in this discriminatory way (Section 48).
- 17. There are provisions which will apply after several years ranging from seven to 17 years. Why have them in the constitution now? The idea is to have a constitution which will not affect the political leaders promoting this constitution. Some provisions will disappear after 10 years.
Madhuku alsways talks about people driven. I don’t remember choosing him but I remeber voting the political parties. I am one of the people
Well said Lovemore. It’s high time Zimbabweans refused to used by selfish politicians bent on feathering their own nests.
This is confusing really.
A bit enlightened now. All this shit. No wonder why it is said, in the beginning was the word……’ Tomorrow the word will become flesh, sunday the president will dissolve parliament, monday the president will reappoint service chiefs, tuesday the president will appoint AGeneral, wednesday???????????????????????????????
If the nooz be two one is mine.
Thank you ND and LM
i have my reservations abt tis draft, bt its marginally beta thn, rememba it cme frm negotiations btwn 2 antagonistic parties. lets jst say yes nd move on…
yes to the draft and all will follow
it means the disabled people are neglected why the government reserve seats for woman only .the government was supposed to reserve seats for disabled in the parliament like what the y did to women
apa pakuzoto vakadzi are spared on capital punishment ma1.
madhuku wakasara so u want this old one with 19 patches to remain? dnt fight for relevance you are irrelevant nw. the ship has left without u
Enlightenment from i-frica – final chapter
• To creation, from the son of man, son of crreation, the truth with love, shall set the poor people free.
• The hidden secrets have finally revealed themselves, through love, for love, with love, from love, to love, for love is creation.
Reseach question – real situation (bob marley)
Objectives
• Using spiritual geneticc, Expose the control of life of man through control of conscience of masses through politicks and religion
• Expose the statecraft hypocrisy of religion and politicks in controlling the faith and fortune of nations hence controlling the lives of man.
• Expose politics and religion as root of all evil of land
• Expose the bible as a doctored play to suit imperial philosophies
Aim
• Relate the life today to history of religion, politicks and bible
• Emancipate man from religious and political slavery (only form of mental slavery).
• Overthrow evil (good over evil)
Hypothesis
• Bible is a political and religious statecraft tool used by imperialist merchants to (fool the masses) control the faith and resources of the masses through the personification of creation and promise for life in eternity . (colonisation of mind – control of conscience -through infantry and calvary – brains of nicco machiavelli – the prince).
• Spiritual genetics can prove how politics and religion are used as negative tools of statecraft to manipulate and control the lives of masses and resources of the land by controlling the root and choices of man to breed evil, submission, dependency, abomination to creation and supress good
• Politics is religion of resources (water), and religion is the politics of faith, and only a politically and religiously free society can achieve peace .
• the creator of the universe/creation is love, in its form, not ‘man – personification to control by inducing fear/control of faith’.
• The bible is a colonisation con play ! personified by italian artists in the 16th century, to be used by the ROMAN EMPIRE (16th century catholic church) to dominate the world through faith – history was doctored to avoid suspicion!.
• Man should live by laws of creation only. Testaments are reminders of sin to the consciously subdued mind and hence always in debt with origin and salvation (infancy and calvary).
• CREATION
• Love created creation ; the intention of creating an impression ; THE INTENTION OF CREATING WAS TO bring life to love, and in doing so , love created creation.
• Man and earth in harmony of univesre all with love .
• Creation was created in the image of the creator , love, so that any and all that creation creates, it shall create to eternity – until it decides on its own to cease or perish.
• Man+earth lived in harmony by following the laws of the universe : –
• Seek love always, and no other besides love for creation, in the image of love
• Stay true to the word of love throughout the cultivation of life
• Rest in peace
• In living by the Laws of the universe, creation is orderly, non-chaotic, balanced and is in perfect harmony with nature .
• In attaining the perfect balance of creation, life, creation has to :
• So as life shall cultivate , so shall it protect, but for life to cultivate, life has to work .in doing so, first law of creation ; _ !) in all your works and ways, seek love the creator. For you shall not consider anything besides love for creation in your choices 2) _ seek love truely – kee your work and stay focus on your cultivation, with love for life. 3) – man shall rest .
• In the life of man in universe, with creation there was perfect harmony with nature
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• Origin/beginning of mankind
• Mankind began with creation of woman by man, to satisfy law of creation, be able to create life to eternity.
• Out of love, as image of lovethe creator, man created woman and breathed life into her, to crreate generations of man.
• The woman was created, by man out of his love for life and creation, in the image of his creation and creator, love.
• Sin of man.
• Out of his love for life, man created woman.
• Out of the desires of his heart, man was selfish not to teach the woman the laws of the universe, in an effort to satisfy desire to control the woman, and dominate.
• In so doing, man ensured woman would always call on man for life, for he had the wisdom of the law of creation, but had not shown the love of creation in following the desires of the heart to dominate – selfishness – sin of man – forbidden fruit.
• The fruit of no cultivation, for man had not cultivated the laws of creation into his creation, to live in perfect harmony with nature.
• This was a result of the selfish desire of the foolish heart –
• SELFISHNESS – SIN OF MAN
• in doing so , man created a mankind of control, negative society, dependency and abomination, for man had not taught mankind to cultivate, he had not created a mankind of wisdom.
• As much as mendelian ratio of physical characteristics of genetics (xy, xx – genotypic – phenotypic expression), the trait of belief, faith characteristics of spiritual genetics which leads to forgiveness of inequities and the covering of sin are inherited from parents .
• Roman 4:16
• Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by good grace;to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not that only which is of the law, but to that also which is the faith of abraham; who is the father of us all.
• Mendelian ratios on spiritual genetics show the origin of characteristics of faith and grace, wisdom and knowledge.
• spiritual genetics
• inheritance of spiritual characteristics occurs either by the characteristics of the heart or mind from the father or mother, jus like sex.
• heart – love/no love
• mind – wisdom/no wisdom :
• resulting in offspirng of :
• No love/no wisdom – no conscience –
• Love/no wisdom – blind faith – religious
• Love/wisdom – wise and prudent – militant
• No love/widom – false prophets/false shepherds –
• Spiritual gebetics attempts to explain the spiritual problems encountered by man.the concept can explain how some spiritual problems become difficult to shake = this also could help people when the attempt to resolve these genetic problems (also known as generational curses).
• “Well, it is one thing to wrestle with a learned behavioural patterns but it is something totally diffrerent to wrestle, in the spirit realm, with yoks,bonds, and /or strongholds that have been passed down and down and now take the form of “norm” in the life of a person (or a family structure) “
• MANKIND
• The father of mankind, man of many kinds, created the woman out of his own image, breathed life into the woman. For she created out of creation, she created out of love, image of creation to eternity.
• The desire by man to contol the woman, submission, led the man not to pass/teach the laws of universe/creation/life to the woman, so as to make her dependent on him.
• Desire – wants of the mind (greed) not guided by the wisdom of love, heart, to be controlled by reason and not greed (desire).
• Love – needs of life, guided by the wisdom of the heart and reason of mind to satisfy life/conscience.
• Spiritual choices
• Origination of choices from the heart (need) generates/initiates love through, through the conscience into the mind to make rational life choices and to satisfy life to eternity – do good – love wisdom/no wisdom.
• Origination from the mind creates a want/desire of the heart (to eternity _ uncontrollable), in order to satisfy life – removal of control of science – inorder to achieve predetermined desires of the land ( wisdom/no love or love).
• The act of good for man originates from the heart , supported by the control of science, conscience – thoughts of knowledge – and expressed by the mind to satisfy life .
• The act of bad originates from the mind (desire/control) creating a desire in the heart to satisfy life – control – guided by the physical of the vision of eye. In so doing, an eternal desire for ‘life’ is created, which can only be stopped by the loss of the desire to control, hence reversing flow of originating, in doing so triggering the conscience to control the expression of the mind . – CONFESSION
• THE ORIGIN OF GOOD IS THE ACT OF SCIENCE OF MIND GUIDED BY THE LOVE OF THE HEART – AVOID ALL POSSIBLE BAD – CONTROL – THE SCIENCE OF DOING GOOD – no negative
• THE ORIGIN OF BAD IS THE ACT OF SCIENCE OF MIND GUIDED BY THE DESIRES OF THE GREEDY MIND AND FOOLISH HEART – ETERNAL/UNCONTROLLABLE AND SUBDUES CONSCIENCE- negative .
• IN SO DOING, MAN OPPOSES LAW OF UNIVERSE, WITH A GREATER LOVE FOR PHYSICAL (VISION OF EYE), UNCONTROLLED BY THE CONSCIENCE, TO CREATE AN ETERNAL NEED TO DO BAD – SUBDUED CONSCIENCE .
• UNCONTROLLED – NO AUTO-REGULATION OF SCIENCE – DRIVEN BY DESIRE
• CAN ONLY BE CONTROOLED BY MAN – DECISION NOT TO CONTINUE WAYS .
• Origin of mankind
• The origin of mankind is the creation of woman by man (breathe life ) without passing the wisdom of laws of universe to ensure control and have power over woman –
• In so doing, man created woman of love but no wisdom (blind faith).
• In so doing, man created a genearation of mankind of no love ;
• No love/no wisdom – no purpose
• love/ no wisdom – religious – blind faith
• Wisdom/love – son of man –
• No love/wisom – false leaders/false prophets
• Mankind 3:1
• Beginning of mankind was the creation of evil/bad. Beginning of mankind was beginning of man’s desire to control and have power/authority over other beings.
• So man , love and wisdom, was born out of love, creation, and shall always be of love, creation = SON OF MAN =.
• AND MANKIND (man of many kinds of minds – evil ) out of wisdom of man with no love (selfifhness), shall also be part of creation, love, until man decide to cultivate his mind out of evil.
• Conclusion
• As spiritul genetics have shown, man was born out of love, as part of creation, by love. Evil was born out of the selfish mind of man to control and have authority over creation, creating mankind (man of many kinds of minds), and not by the creator as creation before man folloowed laws of universe .
• So man, frst man, was born out of creation, love, and evil was born out of selfish desires of man to control and have power over creation – SIN OF MAN – SELFISH
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• Meaning
• Man of love and wisom are direct images of creation, love, and man of control/greed, are creation of mankind, kinds of minds of man.
• Man of no love and wisdom are false leaders, minds of man of no love, minds of man of uncontrolled desires and control mankind either spiritually of physically
• man of love and no wisdom show great faith and and grace but blind faith and follow false prophets of religion.
• Man of no love and no wisdom are man of material pleasures of earth (swine).
• As spiritual genetics have shown,the origin of evil coincids with the origin of mankind (kinds of minds of man), not creation of man by love, the creator, for the creator, love, created life of love and wisdom.
• Hence first man, of product of creation,was created out of love and wisdom = faith –father of faith
• the son of the first man –mankind – father of evil – the desire to control and have authority over creation, in so doing creating evil ..
• A man of love and wisdom is a direct descendant of the creator – son of man –not a man of control/greed/selfishness.
• A man of no love and no wisdom is he who stand for nothing and falls for everything – swine – mentality of salt and wine – no perishable when in actual fact perishable.
• A man of love and no wisdom is a believer – blind faith
• The sin of man was selfishness, lack of love, and in so doing destructing the law of universe, the harmony in universe,creating evil in the land
• in so doing the selfish mind of man gave birth to a different form of life, life of selfidhness, no love, hatred etc giving birth to the world – no love, more word .an illusion of the universe .
• in essence, all good deeds, done by good man, are guided by love and wisdom = son of man = love, wisdom.
• All evil deeds, done by man are DONE by selfishness of mankind , are guided by greed and lust (abomination to love, the creator).
• Creating an uncontrallable deisre to control and manipulate mankind.
• = evil =
• Selfishness is the root of all evil ..
• Hence the death of evil, end of evil is the decision by all Man not to be Man of selfish deeds, Man of power AND control. But man of love and wisdom, follow laws of creation to satisfy life .
• Bible
• As observed from spiritual genetics, the origin of man was from creation, love and not man. Man created mankind, man of many kinds of minds, evil.
• The bible hence does not give a historical account of the life of man before mankind (laws of universe/life in universe befor mankind, before evil).
• According to spiritual genetics, the bible can be concluded to be a historical account of the life of makind (origin of evil), progress, trials and tribulations of mankind, the effects of evil on man [love, wisdom] and mankind [creation of mind and no love] and the promise for the coming of saviour .
• The creator of mankind is man of selfish deeds [no love,no wisdom], out of the creation of his love, woman, deprived of the kwoledge of laws of creation, by the selfish, controlling, greedy man.
• The beginning of mankind was the end of harmony of life on universe, the beginning of evil, control.
• The presence of man of wisdom, son of man in creation is personified by the characters abraham, isaac, jacob, joseph, moses,joshua.
• The old testament clearly highlights the life of ations in land of no love, no application to laws of creation. Life on earth, without laws of universe, is not sustainable ..
• The only missing link in mankind life, for good deeds is LOVE, for lack of LOVE is selfishness, destructive, evil and negative, for in no LOVE, there is no reasoning, no wisdom,the mind judges, creates a desire and loses control of science to act.
• Where is the love?
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Love – ? love – ?
• New testament
Son of man shall come
Born out of love, the creator.
Lived by love – laws of creation – no need for religion
As evidenced in the works and ways of the son of man, he was a man who lived by the laws of universe, not by laws of man. He said, i am the way the truth and life.
As evidenced in his ways , the son of man did not partake in any religious activities, nor any politcal activities of his time.
The duty of the son of man is to remove the veil on the face of people, remove evil in the land and teach the ways of life of the laws of the universe, not of man .
Clues from bible
• g.o.d – god of domination – the idea/ideas as of the philosopher – of the bible author
• a-dam – the creator of evil, mankind in the imagination of the author/philosopher
• e-den – house of origin of evil (evil-garden)
• e-ve – mother of origin of evil – the mother of the idea of evil/selfishness in the imagination of the author/philosopher.
• Moses – prototype of lineage of love and wisdom (laws of creation not man)– clue to life – water - statecraft used to control the lives of the masses, control the water.
• Commandments – 1 -3 manipulated laws of universe, 4 –parents remider of dominance, 5 – 8 reminder of sins, 9 – 10 – limit domination/desire.
• Legion – religion in the land and minds of people – ROOT OF EVIL IN MINDS AND LANDS – man shld be free frm religion
• Swine – men of no love, no wisdom (no conscience, man who follow material pleasures). Men of mentality of salt and wine 9smine) – non-perishable mentality with perishable life!
• False shepherds – politicians who feed on the blood of the swine
• Water – a-dam – end of the begining of evil –a -dam.
• Jesus christ – the first slave ship, still to come to take us back to africa
• 10 commandments – laws of the evil
• Mt sin-ai – mind of the evil, foolish hearts
• Revealation – the end of the time of mankind, evil, or evil .
• New testament/son of man/messiah – a person who follows are religious and political free life,only following laws of creation .
• World – illusion of word and love
bamaggie are you not a spammer?
Whats this NEW AGE NONSENSE about Bamaggie? Please make sense. Dont just go copy and paste irrelevant info. People are trying to make sense here on this forum.
LM has made a good comment about the constitution and its true that many Zimboz dont know the detail of it.
Please dont bring your ATHEISM doctrines here. You are very ignorant and cannot even comprehend what you have pasted above.
Its people like you who go on starting tumachechi twemashiripiti and not making sense.
To sum up the rubbish above – Its NONSENSE!
I shall vote NO.
Not because I am for Madhuku but because reading the document for myself just goes to show that if Tsvangirayi agreed to this then he is no different from Mugabe himself. This constitution is a load of bull. A total disregard of our human rights as a nation!!!
Why talk of Tsvangirai only, Ncube also endorsed the document
I don’t really care about him because I have never been a supporter if him. It’s Tsvangirayi who I feel has betrayed me. It’s just like the time when Navi Pillay came and he said the human rights situation has improved…. What is he playing at? What happened to the guy who stood up for the people???
WATAURA
To a certain rxtent, Madhuku’s observations are valid! But I will vote YES!
Nyaya iripo ndeyekuti ,,.for you to comprehend Constitutional Law as well as the Constitution one has to be both learned and educated. Sorry, Mr Madhuku – the people you are debating are a bunch of ignoramuses. They will never understand the rationale behind a ‘NO’ vote. The percentage of those in the dark is greater than the enlightened. Therefore, since a referendum is a game of numbers, you wasting your time Mr Madhuku !
yy dd u let sme1 comment for over 10,000 words here! i thot u limited words per email mr editor…
Redeemer wataura chokwadi. Pple are blindly following leaders of parties they support wtout analysing è draft. Pple mst learn 2 think 4 themselves + those who don’t know wat èy are voting 4 mst stay at home. A ‘No’ vote is a wise idea. Thanx Madhuku & Makoni 4 shading light unto darkness.
bamaggie, i cant waste my time reading your book. Infact, you used so many words to say nothing!
Kuziva kana kusaziva, pple will vote 2moro. Ungavarambidza how? So you are saying Madhuku and Makoni think for the uneducated pple? After saying “NO”. .what next?
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Maduku has a very valid point. Its only that its too late now,the majority of ppl wil vote yes tomo simply coz MT and RGM said so. Its a pity. Again selfish leaders misled the people. Ppl shld understand that a constitution is nt just an election, it defines us as a people,nt only in this generation bt also on the generations to cum. Ppl are voting with the aim of removing mugabe or deafiting Tsvangirai. Bt ly LM said,a cnstitution z bigger than any political party. Most ppl aint got a clue whats in the constitution,yet they are voting yes tomorow in their ignorance
Yea,Maduku has a very valid point. Its only that its too late now,the majority of ppl wil vote yes tomo simply coz MT and RGM said so. Its a pity. Again selfish leaders misled the people. Ppl shld understand that a constitution is nt just an election, it defines us as a people,nt only in this generation bt also on the generations to cum. Ppl are voting with the aim of removing mugabe or deafiting Tsvangirai. Bt ly LM said,a cnstitution z bigger than any political party. Most ppl aint got a clue whats in the constitution,yet they are voting yes tomorow in their ignorance
no !no! no!
ndoyatakafira iyeyi no asi inoita manje.Madhuku Keep it up!
Bamaggie, I didn’t know you could write such drivel !
Tawonga you have only vindicated my point. YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF A ‘NO’ VOTE. Ndosaka vaMadhuku vachiti dai vanhu vakapiwa nguva yekudzidziswa. Regrettably, at the stroke of a pen TODAY, hupenyu hwema generations to come will be jeopardised.
@ bamaggie, you are a real spammer. You have posted junky meaningless post.
Madhuku is ryt. As for me and those around me at work, we dont even know whsts in the draft cobstitution. we did nt receive any copy of the draft or see it anywhere. U belrive it is the same sutuation with my fellow Zimbabweans elsewher countrywide. 90000 copies against 12000 000 Zim population, its nt democractic. Most pple are going to vote for what they dont know at all.
Mgoing to put a NO vote period.
madhuiku u are so right but vanhu ava makava
VOTE NO#LOOTERS
what happens if we vote no?
madhuku has to eat.how will the brother man pay his bills.in this harsh economic times it is a trajedy for him if we vote yes to the new constitution.self-preservation and survival are the first natural laws.
Do u thng kti uchawana nguva yekunyora constion yako here madhuku dai no vote yako iine bekup ye mdcs waibudirira bt apa warasika
im nor a spammer kwanai
Madhuku is right but there is gross miscarriage of justice here with Newsday why give Madhuku an interview on the eve of the polling yadeuka yadeuka varume Mugabe or Tsvangson tinongotangira patakasiira coz the same monster constitution yanga ichitibatirira will continue, to be supreme ubove us, and the same people who adopted it will disregard its contents and begin to brutalize us after we voted Yes
Ino inyika yaMwari vakomana. Iye woga( Mwari) ndiye achataura